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At least in my book she does.  She ran a lousy, mean-spirited campaign and can't stop griping about a nomination that was hers to lose.  Well, she lost it and it is about time she stopped whining and being coy about her support for Obama.  Her "stop the roll call" speech today had all the enthusiasm of someone calling for another root canal.

She went after Obama like a house afire rather than go after McCain and has now given the asses in the republican party plenty of ammunition to use in their ads.

I can't stand her and I'm not liking her husband much anymore either, which is something I never thought I'd say.

Date: 2008-08-28 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isis-lives.livejournal.com
oooooooo. I respect your opinion, but I don't share it. However transparently wicked she was during the campaign, she came through. To me, with both Clintons, the ego is something to look beyond. And, sometimes it is so large that it is hard to do that (in the power corrupts genre), but they have passed the baton. I think we'll see her in the supreme court.


Date: 2008-08-28 01:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selwynne.livejournal.com
now that would be cool (her in the Supreme Court).

Date: 2008-08-28 08:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nevafeva.livejournal.com
IAWTC. It's interesting how people either love or hate Hillary. She definitely rubs people the wrong way, and I think part of it is because she's ruthless and it shows, but the ruthlessness is kind of what I like about her. The good ol' boys play dirty and, sadly, I think that may be what it takes for a woman to break that glass ceiling--When in Rome and all that.

Date: 2008-08-28 04:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mystical_journey
I have always had mixed feelings about the Clintons but lately I am losing all respect for them. Lately Hillary was very nasty in her campaign and to all appearances, has been a sore loser.

Date: 2008-08-28 05:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feisty-jenn.livejournal.com
disclaimer: i'm canadian, so i confess to maybe watching this all through a different lens than you are. and i don't know you well, so i apologize if i step on toes.

reading this post, i almost wondered if we'd watched different speeches, a different convention. As a womyn and as a feminist i was proud, impressed and (i admit it) a little teary during Hilary Clinton's speech last night. And tonight, when she moved that Obama be acclaimed -- I thought that (while it was certainly politically astute) it was also a meaningful signal that her talk of unity was something more than just talk...a classy, respectful and exciting moment. (i also can't help feeling that had she sounded too "excited" when calling for acclamation she would have yet again been tagged as too hysterical/female/whatever, whereas what i heard was her being solemn and respectful, as befits an important action/moment).

i thought Bill Clinton's speech tonight was pretty fantastic too.

Date: 2008-08-28 06:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isis-lives.livejournal.com
Yes, Bill was wonderful. And as a woman and a feminist, I was proud of Hillary, too. She was strong and wonderful. If you watched the campaign, tho, there were moments that were less than honorable. It is hard to tease out if she was being judged differently because she was a woman by participating pretty openly in hard core politicking. At least for me it is. There were moments when I was really angry with her behavior and tactics and this differed with a handful of my closest friends. Ahhhh, the beauty of politics.

Date: 2008-08-28 03:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] feisty-jenn.livejournal.com
oh absolutely! watching the campaign i thought there were problematic moments on *all* sides (by which i don't just mean the candidates, especially HC and BO, but also the DNC).

i personally have no doubts that she was being judged differently because she was a woman...but i don't think that necessarily excludes the possibility that were also instances where she/her campaign may well have crossed lines in their politicking.

Date: 2008-08-28 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miwome.livejournal.com
I'm sorry. I'm really not trying to be confrontational about this.

Can we all agree on the necessity of unity and of moving forward? Because that's not all the responsibility of Clinton and her supporters; it also requires Obama et.al. to forgive--or at least put the past aside--and move on. Obama made me very angry many times (I voted for him, with some reluctance), but I'm over it and I fully support him and his candidacy. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that others do the same. He won. Be happy about that and let the rest of it go.

As for the whining, coyness, griping, and lack of enthusiasm...we must have seen two different speeches.

Date: 2008-08-28 06:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kukla-red.livejournal.com
You know, I respected your right to post what you felt about Hillary on your journal and I didn't say anything about how I felt even though as you see, I mightily disagree with you. However, this is my post on my journal and I think I am entitled to express my opinion without being told that I have to "move on" or whatever.

Unlike Ms. Clinton, Obama has been about unity all along. She has not truly embraced the concept of unity even now. Every speech or comment she makes has a little dig or a little qualifier in it - this is not promoting unity. Even in her speech at the DNC, she said "I got 18 million votes and Barack got 18 million votes, more or less." It is comments like that which cause me to feel the way I do, among other things.

Date: 2008-08-28 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] latsrn.livejournal.com
Hey, I just have to say, as a Welsh - Brit, I'm just glad that there's a credible opposition in the running.
I was a fan of Bill Clinton... don't think we would have had this mess in Iraq if he'd been there at the time (thought too much was made of his indiscretions, but hey; that's the press for you) and equally would have liked to have seen Hilary in the Whitehouse but now that's gone I'm 100% hoping that you all vote for Obama - he seems like a good man!!

Let's face it we only have one world and it's not going to be saved by another Republican in Washington.

Date: 2008-09-10 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] diver-boy.livejournal.com
I am a Hillary supporter who is voting for Obama. Yeah she fought a very nasty race against him...but Obama won, fair and square.

So he has my vote. Amazing to see how many HRC supporters are flocking to the republicans, guess they don't share her views after all....*shrug*

just my 2 cents.

i like obama and the way he speaks .. i just only hope that he delivers what he promises.

Date: 2008-09-10 05:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kukla-red.livejournal.com
Thanks for your thoughts. I am glad to see someone who was a Hillary supporter speak so thoughtfully.

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